Many many years ago, old friend Paul Rogan said to me “you should have a column or a radio show, you have opinions on everything” … and I wasn’t entirely sure if he meant it quite in the friendly manner he said it (!), but he was right. I do have plenty of opinions. There are a few things I tend not to bother having opinions on – fashion (don’t care other than shoes and even then don’t care that much as long as they’re pretty), sport (don’t care unless it’s the All Blacks and a test match – or Olympic-level gymnastics), cars (just don’t care) … but most other things, especially if they have a political bent to them, then yes, I can find something to say. And, the personal being political (!), to me at least, most things do have a political bent to them!
Yesterday I reviewed for the Simon Mayo Radio 5 book programme, and tonight I’m doing BBC2’s Newsnight Review – and for both shows it is important to have opinions. These shows require that the person who’s come in to talk about the book or the film or the exhibition or whatever has paid attention to the thing they’ve been asked to consider and subsequently cares. Or if they don’t care, then they behave as if they do … and there’s the rub. Because while I do generally care, I don’t always care quite as much as I know makes good telly/radio/live panel. Because, as we all know, it’s better telly/radio/panel if there’s a bit of a discussion as well as vehement head-nodding. And, as someone who comes from theatre originally, it is always important to me to give good show. I want the whole to be good, as well as just what I say. Which means that sometimes, on these kinds of shows/programmes, one is encouraged to behave more interested/partisan/attached than you would feel at home, sitting in your slobby clothes, listening to the radio.
It’s not lying, but it is often an exaggeration of interest.
(I don’t think I could lie anyway – pretend that I believe one thing when I believe another entirely. I’m fine with acting and improvising, but when I used to debate at school, I found it close to impossible to pretend to agree with an idea I hated merely for the practice of arguing … it made me go cold. I see no point at all in just arguing for the hell of it.)
And the exaggeration of interest comes about because you want the show as a whole to be good too, not a fight (they bore me), but a discussion. And maybe even a slightly heightened one. Those live panels at book events are always better when there’s some meat being picked over than when everyone sits together and pats themselves on the back and says how nice we all are and how nice it is to all think the same. There’s often an unspoken pressure to engender the meat-picking rather than the back-slapping. It’s to do with the lights or the location or – at a live event – the audience’s engagement.
And I like it, and I feel pressured to make a ‘show’, and I wish I didn’t, and yet sometimes I wish more people – especially when I’m on one of those interminable draggy panels that goes on forever and there’s never a spark at all – also wanted to make a ‘show’ of the events that we, as writers/artists/makers of work are often asked to do.
Ah, ambiguity …
sort of about LGBT, sort of about theatre, sort of about writing
I found Martha Carney’s dismissal of your ‘opinions’ an obvious reinforcement of the comments made by Johann (re Martina N) that society is not comfortable with lesbians. From my perspective her silencing of you and attempts to bypass your challenge to the status quo a sad reflection of the homophobia lesbians continue to face. We are not the acceptable ‘gay friend’. Strangely enough it seems that straight women have the most adverse reaction to lesbian women. Somehow the affinity we should have as women is lost because they fail to see the commonality we share.
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hi Kelly, actually I didn’t feel dismissed at all by Martha, I know it’s rarely obvious to viewers, but there is such a time premium on a show (and it IS a show) like this, that I’m very well aware the host has at least two voices in their ear as well as the four of us on the sofa, and an agreed agenda (which the programme makers will have set) long in advance. Frankly, it felt like a huge breakthrough to be pointing out the lack of lesbian presence EVERYWHERE in mainstream ‘culture’ and (as a white woman) the presence of people of colour in the Before Stonewall doc. So, while I really do appreciate you might have wanted more, I was quite pleased to have managed to get through what I did. And I will always take a small platform when it’s given, rather than none at all. So I think the Newsnight people did pretty well in being aware that our (woman, lesbian) platform was needed at all – god knows there are many many news and media outlets that don’t even notice that!
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I completely agree that I am pleased that Newsnight bothered to invite you on the show. Also I am probably not sympathetic enough about how to manage 2 voices in your ear, and 4 on the couch.
The point of silencing however did seem apparent to me, and to AN Other who responded on the newsnight blog. I understand your response though, if you are seen to feel offended or marginalised you will never get invited onto anything and the lesbian voice will never get heard.
I think the issue is that as long as you remain the palatable face of lesbianism then you can be in the club. Really that exemplifies my point entirely. Please don’t take this as a criticism more an observation. I am so used to having to stuff the homophobia straight back down my throat in order to be successful that sometimes I bite back.
best regards
Kelly
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I must have a look at the one I recorded to see if I can see what you saw. Obviously, from where I was sitting (and live) it feels very different. And, of course, I’m sure we all had about a dozen points we wanted to make on each item and yet were able in the end to make only one or two.
off to check out the Newsnight blog!
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I partially agree Kelly G in the respect that you really didn’t get a lot of telly time last night; however, I wouldn’t go as far to say you (or your opinions) were dismissed and simply brushed under the carpet. As you said, it’s basic TV, where questions need to be answered, and in a set time.
What did make me laugh however was Martha Carney’s nervous laugh when you said “Unless Martha has something to tell us, I’m the only lesbian here”
I guess we’ve still a long way to go before we are “accepted” like gay males. Who knows, perhaps one day it’ll be all the rage to have a lesbian friend!
HM
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The blokes did seem to get the lion’s share of air time, but it was 3 ‘against’ 1.
I would have liked you to have been able to expand on your point re the difference between a cliche and an icon.
I concur with your dismissal of the silly criticism of Sarah Water’s latest, but that is partly due to the ‘burden of representation’ which was alluded to, though not explicitly stated, in the programme. Personally, I enjoy writers such as yourself, Ali Smith and Patrick Gale who populate their books with large enough casts of characters to incorporate a whole spectrum of queerness.
You mentioned the dearth of gay female figures on TV, but I would point to the recent series of Skins which portrayed the development of a relationship between two girls over several episodes.
It was good to see a gay woman other than JW on Newsnight Review, I hope you’ll be invited back, and not just on a specially themed show
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thanks Gael – me too!
(and interestingly, it really didn’t feel like I wasn’t getting my fair share of time live – and I’m usually very attuned to these things – funny that!)
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